NewSpring Church Senior Pastor Perry Noble is running full steam ahead with the “score” and “scoreboard” slogan lately. James Duncan from Pajama Pages has been discussing this “scoreboard” defense used by Perry Noble to counter or should I say ignore his critics.

I want to examine this Twitter post from Perry Noble and take a hard look at some of his more colorful antics at NewSpring Church. I will focus on his statement that “God did not call the church to withdraw from the world” and compare it with what God told us about the world in the Bible. I have already dealt with the “scoreboard” logic in my blog Confessing Christ, false professions, and the numbers game, so I’m not going to get into that part again.

The first bad advice from Perry Noble is assuming that pastors and leaders can run up a spiritual scoreboard. This is very flawed advice that puts the emphasis on the pastor and church leadership rather than on Jesus Christ. This type of advice leads to a cult of personality with heavy emphasis on the leaders and church culture. I would suggest that Perry Noble ponder the Doctrines of Grace a little more or think about what he is posting to Twitter before he posts it.

Let’s move on to the subject of the church not withdrawing from world. I fully agree with Perry Noble that the church must not withdraw from the world (Refer to my blog “In the hedge and on the highway” for my thoughts on how we reach out to people). Perry Noble is big on outreach and numbers. He is always referring back to his slogan, “to make the name of Jesus famous one life at a time!” as his rallying battle cry. To me, this slogan is just another marketing tool used to promote NewSpring Church. It’s not like Jesus needs us to make His name famous. I’ll put aside my prejudice of this slogan for a moment to say I fully agree with it and Perry Noble’s vision. In making the name of Jesus famous should we not focus on more than just saying the name and counting heads? In making Jesus’ name famous we should show the world Jesus as Jesus is described in the Bible. Perry Noble’s visions for making Jesus’ name famous does not accurately reflect the outline found in the Bible for spreading Jesus’ name. Let’s dig a little deeper into Noble’s rabbit hole and see what we find. As a former NewSpring Church member, I have some first hand knowledge of how NewSpring’s rabbit holes work.

When Perry Noble gives advice that the church is not to withdraw from the world it sounds really good until you get to know what Noble is referring to with this statement. Perry Noble uses the hooks and snares of the world to bait and switch unregenerated people into visiting NewSpring Church. This tactic works, and it works well. The proof is easily seen in the numbers of people who attend NewSpring Church.

Let’s examine some of Perry Noble’s advice and actions from the past:

Last Easter Perry Noble used AC\DC’s Highway to Hell as an opening song at NewSpring Church (see also Perry Noble’s message from AC/DC Sunday). Perry has claimed people were saved because of using AC\DC’s “Hell’s Bells” . If you read the links, you will see how Perry Noble believed that God used worldly music to spread His Gospel. Perry Noble’s severe lack of discernment is seen in his blog called I-Pod as he refers to Rob Bell (see link for Bell’s heresy) as a preacher he listens to on a regular basis. Perry Noble also uses some very colorful language(cussing), crude language, prophetic visions , and bad advice. He promotes worldly songs like those by Usher (refer to Can I enjoy movies and culture and still be a Christian? around the 35-40 minute mark) that encourage people toward sinful thoughts, and uses lust- filled songs like “Crazy in Love” (refer to NewSpring’s “Crazy in Love” by Beyonce) all in the name of making Jesus name famous. These antics are used by Perry Noble to help spread the the Gospel of Jesus Christ by reaching out and appealing to culture to draw those without Jesus into the church.

We can see in these examples how Perry Noble details what he means by “not withdrawing from the world” which is translated: “Use the world’s music, tactics, and language to be relevant to reach the lost. As long as we worship Jesus this is all good because the ends justify the means.” Perry Noble adds to his statement by saying, “Run up the score” which is translated: “When you are criticized for your actions, simply point to the number of members attending your church as evidence God is working in your ministry through your vision”.

Now let’s examine Perry Nobles’s actions and claims using the Berean example found in Acts 17:11.

Acts 17:11 (New International Version)

11Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

In the Bible it clearly tells us not to love the world (1 John 2:14-18 ,1 John 2:15, Romans 8:5-8) or to be held captive by it (Colossians 2:1-9).

The Bible tells us to abstain from evil (1 Peter 2:10-12 ,1 Thessalonians 5:21-23) and to be of good reputation (1 Timothy 3:1-7 , Titus 1:1-9 ,Titus 2:6-8, Philippians 2:14-16)

The Bible tells us to not have a filthy mouth (Col 3:8).

When we compare the Scriptures to Perry Noble, we see a problem with his ministry. Do we see Perry Noble when we read this passage?

Titus 2:11-13 (New American Standard Bible)

11For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,

12instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age,

13looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Lastly, I want to discuss Perry Noble’s distortion of Acts 17:22-24he presented in Can I enjoy movies and culture and still be a Christian? 08/10/08 from week 5 of the “You asked for it” series. This is a very good illustration by Perry Noble that shows us exactly what he means by not withdrawing from the world. The way Perry Noble twists and distorts the Apostle Paul is borderline heresy. Noble paints a picture as if Paul dug deep into Greek culture. I’m sorry, Mr. Noble, but in Greece Zeus was considered the god of the gods and many people knew about Zeus. It’s not like the quote that Paul used was unknown except for an enlightened few who followed Greek culture. This did not mean that Paul spent his time partaking in the Greek culture. I challenge anyone reading this blog to listen to this message and simply study the Scriptures. One thing we must keep in mind is that Paul was dealing with a false religion and not popular culture as implied in this sermon by Perry Noble.

In this account of the unknown god in Acts 17, Perry Noble’s carnal interpretation of this event fails the test of the Scriptures. One would think Paul studied and regularly used Greek pagan culture in his preaching to the Greeks according to Noble’s presentation of this event. Paul did not bring this idol, Greek culture, or any relevant secular works into the church to draw the Greek people in. Paul did not use the relevant excuse to put worldly culture into the church like Noble uses to justify his antics at NewSpring Church. Paul warned us against these things in Romans 12:1-3, 2 Corinthians 10:1-3, Romans 6:1-3, Romans 6:14-16 so why would Paul tell these Greeks they are the exception to the rule? If this was the case then why did Paul even bother writing 1 and 2 Corinthians?

I can explain the point of Acts 17:22-24 using myself as an example. If I walked by a group of Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses debating who God is and how we know who Jesus was, then this would be very similar to what happened in Acts 17. Because I have studied the Mormon and the Jehovah Witness faiths, I can answer their questions using their terminology about who Jesus Christ really is by simply leading them to the true Scriptures. If I took Perry Noble’s explanation of this event as a guide to my walk with Jesus, then I would add Mormon/Jehovah Witness culture and literature: The Book of Mormon and the New World Translation, to my study and include them in my sermons. Taking Noble’s advice a little further, I could go back to my church to add Mormon and Jehovah Witness books, study guides, magazines, lesson plans, etc… in the church to lure Mormons and Jehovah Witness into the house of God. I could turn right around and claim that because I used Mormon/Jehovah Witness culture that God used this “relevant” material to lead “x” number of people to Christ! Clearly this poor explanation from Perry Noble about the Apostle Paul is laying a foundation of foolish advice, worldliness, confusion, and carnality in the Christian faith. The bottom line is Perry Noble willingly twisted the Scriptures out of context in order to defend his love of the world and the world’s culture that holds him captive. Noble jumps through hoops in order to make the Word of God sound as if it justifies Noble’s rebellion and love of the world.

2 Corinthians 6:14-17 (New American Standard Bible)

14Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?

15Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?

16Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said,
“I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM;
AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
17“Therefore, COME OUT FROM THEIR MIDST AND BE SEPARATE,” says the Lord.
“AND DO NOT TOUCH WHAT IS UNCLEAN;
And I will welcome you.

The Scriptures command those of us in Christ to separate ourselves from loving the world, abstain from any appearance of evil, to live a life striving to live godly for Jesus. The old Perry Noble “No Perfect People Allowed” defense does not justify loving the world and walking in carnality. When God inspired the prophets to write the Bible, God clearly understood that we are not perfect people which is why He gave us 1 John 2:1-3 as a reminder when we fall short and sin. God wants us to love Him above all. Mr. Noble, you cannot mix light with darkness no matter how many members you have, your church’s good works, how many million dollar buildings you have, etc… and then say God is telling you to do so. God will never tell us to use sin as a tool to spread the Gospel. The father of lies will tell us that sin is not that bad as long as something good comes from it. In other words, Satan will lead us to believe that if worldliness leads to a profession of Christ then worldliness is justified because it helps make Jesus’ name famous.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 (New International Version)

13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

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Comments
  1. Jim Stevens says:

    Your image of God is WAY TOO SMALL.

  2. David J Horn says:

    How is my image of God way too small? Explain please.

  3. Joseph says:

    So you ban me from YouTube, because I didn't apologize with in 4 minutes of you asking me to?
    I'm sorry that I thought you were blocking me before I didn't know youtube was acting slow. Will you unblock me now, so that we can continue the discussion?

  4. David J says:

    You can address this issues here since this blog is the subject of the YouTibe video. This way people who read the replies will be able to refer to this blog for more info.

    I'm not interested in questions to answer questions. I laid out the Scriptures about Perry Noble's errors and love of the world. Please address them directly.

  5. Joseph says:

    But the Scriptures don't say anything about Perry. Therefore it is your job to show why they relate. I am bringing in more scripture to show that your accusation regarding cussing does not stick.
    So..
    1) Amos 4:1 shows that there is Biblical precedent for caloing people names.
    2)"One thing we must keep in mind is that Paul was dealing with false religion and not popular culture." Most of popular culture IS false religion (materialism, worshiping children) So Perry WAS dealing with false religion.
    3) What is worldly music? I garuntee you can't give a good definition of worldly vs. sacred music. BTW Hells Bells was played, but not sung. Surely the music without the words (the notes themselves) are not worldly.

  6. Joseph says:

    btw it is not the use of scripture that I object too.
    Sola Scriptura

  7. Joseph says:

    your 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 reference is talking about marriage. NOT preaching, NOT methodology.

  8. Joseph says:

    Titus 2:11-13
    NewSpring has not promoted worldly desires.
    If you wish to show that they have then you will need to define worldly (good luck cause The Bible does not define worldly)

  9. David J Horn says:

    Actually the Bible does define worldly. I referenced it.

    Clearly you are going to defend Perry Noble no matter what the Scriptures say.

    I'm done here because I refuse to go in circles with you.

  10. Joseph says:

    You didn't reference it anywhere in this article. You quoted scripture that just says "worldy" or "foul mouth".

    Clearly you are going to hate on Perry no matter what I try to bring up (the way I see you can not go against the Amos verse I brought up, or that you clearly have no real definition of worldly music, since you dodge everything put to you.)

    Perry may be wrong for saying scoreboard but you are just as bad if not worse.

    BTW a remedial lesson in critical thinking will show you that my arguments are linear, and you refuse to debate where they lead, therefore they are not circular.

    But go ahead and delete, ban, or just not touch on anything I have debated for.

  11. Charlie says:

    You seem to have a belief that God wants us to exempt from everything "carnal." By reading your blog your view of carnal seems to be anything that does not explicitly state that Jehovah is Lord. Therefore, I would request you remove Song of Songs and Esther from your Bible. You also seem to be opposed to people coming to Christ situationally. If Highway to Hell brings a man to Christ, then why oppose it? Is your God so small that he cannot use that song to bring men to him? Mine isn't. As for scoreboard, Perry does not mention numbers of people in his church in the videos you linked to. He mentions the number of people being saved, families being brought back together, people's lives being changed. If you are opposed to him opposing you and others who tear down those that bring people to Christ, thus those numbers would worry you. You claim to love God and his church, but use your blog to try and hinder those who do that. Paul walked among the shrines that the people had built (no mention of Zues btw, no idea where his name came from and Paul brought nothing into any physical church building as those didn't exist then) enough to know their desires and hearts. If we walk among other people's religous texts and music and desires we would know their heart and be able to show them how Christ fills all of them. However you seem to believe that people will come and visit a place that is foreign and uncomfortable with them and listen openly to people who don't know them. You may know Mormon's religion by reading The Book of Mormon (a sin in your mind btw, shame on you for learning their ways), but they won't know that by looking at you. But if they see their texts in the church they know that we have an open mind and are willing to discuss their heart with foreknowledge and openness. Your scripture regarding cursing (Col. 3:8) does not give us a list. But with your view we must assume that anything said with a negative or angry connotation is evil. Thus every word you have said, which is meant to portray a man as a bad person and comes off as angry to readers, is evil. You my friend have broken Col. 3:8. I should start a blog. Perry Noble is not my first choice in pastors. There are things he says that I disagree with. However he has a passion for Christ and seeing people saved. If you deny that then these posted clips and angry bloggers are all you've read and heard of Noble. If you deny his ministry then you deny the work of God, for every week people come to Christ, mend broken marriages, and build a more Christ-centered life through the ministry. He is charismatic and thus people notice him the most, but he tries to bring attention to the others who do God's work elsewhere. The children's ministry workers, volunteers who counsel people, the other pastors who lead their ministries. Perry is just the Sunday speaker. If he is the face of Newspring, it is only because he is passionate and people notice passionate people. If you love God like I believe you to, then support all of His ministries, even Newspring and its affiliates.

  12. Edzo says:

    I linked to your blog through your YouTube video. I am not a Bible scholar nor am I looking for a fight. You have your convictions and are certainly entitled to them and I respect you for being willing to share them in a public forum. I was doing a little research as my pastor is currently visiting NewSpring for its Unleash conference.

    I personally live in a world of flux. I was brought up in a traditional church environment and have wrestled deeply and strongly with concepts like post-moderism, Purpose-Driven churches and, most recently, the Emergent movement. Not long ago I read Jim Belcher’s book, “Deep Church” which gave me a very interesting perspective into the Emergent philosophy. I don’t agree with 90% of it but I can see merit in some of the notions and ideas they present when used in the proper manner.

    Jesus instructed us, in His Great Commission, to “go into all the world preaching what I taught you and making disciples (my paraphrase from Matthew 28 omitting baptism)”. In my humble opinion the true measure of a church is whether or not it is making disciples of Jesus. Is NewSpring? I don’t know as I’ve never been there. At my church I teach a class for new believers to guide them into forming and growing their relationship in Christ. James tells us if we draw near to God He will draw near to us. That means it’s not all on God. It doesn’t happen through osmosis. No, we each must invest time and effort into our walk of faith. It is my job, not just at my class, but as we walk through life together, to do my best to help others along in their journey. In every way this is the role of a pastor, to equip others for the work of the Gospel (and, no, I am not formally educated nor ordained…but God is working on me). In the last few months some 20 people have come to know Jesus as their Savior at our church. They are growing in Him not because of a class but because they are becoming a part of a family of Christian believers who are actively doing what God instructs them to do. Jesus taught that the world would know we are His disciples by the demonstration of our love for each other. That love needs to be seen by the world, by those who don’t know Jesus, or else we become tasteless salt. We can’t be a light to the world if we hide the light of Christ inside our own four walls and never venture out into the community. If we are lightless and saltless we are no longer being obedient to Jesus.

    A quick glance at your other blog entries seems to imply you believe in Calvinist dogma (sorry but I just don’t have the time to read through all your entries – feel free to correct me, please). For the most part I do as well. However, my sticking point is that, once again in my extremely humble opinion, Calvinist dogma nullifies the Great Commission. If God has it all mapped out then He certainly doesn’t need me to do anything, right?

    Now, I don’t know about NewSpring. If all they care about is the number of people in their seats then they are grossly incorrect about their philosophy – and God will deal with them accordingly. As I implied before it is all about sowing seed upon the good and fertile ground and being willing to be used of God to help water and nurture the growth. As Paul said in I Corinthians it is not important who sows and who waters but that God gives the increase. The author of Hebrews says that there is great peril in not growing up in the Lord. This is discernment. For what it may be worth one thing I feel the Lord blessed me with is a good baloney detector. I do my best to study the Word, pray and listen and watch for Biblical error. The rest I leave up to God. Calvinist dogma would seem to imply that if all those people at NewSpring are being led astray they were never supposed to be “saved” anyway, regardless of whether they want to be or not. If they are being led to read their Bibles and to pray then God will open their eyes and hearts to His leading. The most important thing is that they be willing to follow the Man Jesus and not just a man.

    Thank you again for your forum. God bless you.

  13. Edzo,

    Thank you for your comments.

    I will advise you to listen to Perry Noble Exegetes the Book of Maps and share this with your pastor. Perry Noble twist the Scriptures often to conform to what he thinks they are saying.

    I too have no formal training from a bible college. I’ve devoted a good bit of time to study, context, and the history o the Bible. Since I left the emergent church, I have been praying and studying the Word in depth.

    Please read and ponder: Discernment is telling the difference between right and almost right. NewSpring Church is a dangerous mixture of culture and adding Jesus to everything. The more you dig into NewSpring Church you will see that as long as you worship “Jesus” and say “Jesus” then it’s ok. The people there are not taught repentance.

    The scary part of all this is seen in Matthew 7:19-23 (New American Standard Bible)

    19″Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

    20″So then, you will know them by their fruits.

    21″Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

    22″Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’

    23″And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

    It’s easy to get sucked in by the purpose driven emergent church movement. I’ll admit that “if” you church follows Noble’s advice you can grow some huge numbers, but at what cost? The high cost of this growth is compromise and teaching a false life change gospel that depends on your works (the church music, depending on relevant culture, self-help topics designed to entertain the people with very little teaching, etc…)

    As far as Calvinism, I am a Calvinist. This does not mean that I believe we should sit back and do nothing. The Lord commanded us to go out and preach the Gospel. We Calvinist solely depend on the Holy Spirit to draw mankind to Himself. I stand against hyper-Calvinism as hard as I stand against the emergent church.

    Again, thank you for your kind post. My advice to you is to continue to dig deep into the Word. I have some blogs about Perry Noble that you should read and share with your pastor. If your pastor is willing to pardon Noble then I would try to reason with him via the Scriptures.

    I recently left my church because of the pastor and elders decided we needed some church growth. They started life groups to study certain self-help coach authors vs studying the Bible. They started bringing in entertainers and comedians to draw people in to the church. The decided Rick Warren’s methods of church growth was better than God’s methods. Talking to these people was like talking to a stop sign because their vision was cast on numbers. The sad truth is this cancer is spreading to so many churches today. Instead of speaking out against the false teachings of Rick Warren and Andy Stanley, some at this church told me I needed to be silent because I was causing division. To make a long story short, I left this church. I pray for them and I pray that God convicts the pastor and elders before this cancer eats this church from the inside out.

    Please forgive any type “o” etc. I have a nasty cold atm and my head is aching. I wanted to reply to you and let you know I read what you wrote.

  14. Danny says:

    So now we all agree that PNoble is a bad guy, he’s toally depraved as you say. I’m still not convinced that ministry style is a sin. Cussing in the pulpit is a sin.

  15. John says:

    I agree totally with what David is saying. As a person growing up in Anderson and going to college at Anderson College when Newspring was just beginning, I have experienced the many sides of what Perry Noble is teaching the people. Some of them being, It’s ok to cuss, drink, party, listen to worldly music and so on, and still be called a Christian. I believe that Perry maybe has the right intentions and believes he’s doing the right thing.
    Proverbs 14:12 “There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.” People will try to tell you there’s nothing wrong with worldly music and things. It’s a lie of the devil! 1 John 2:15 “Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.”
    I personally know many people that currently attend newspring, including many of my family members. None of those people, even after going there for years and being baptized at newspring and accepting Jesus, have received the new birth. They are still the same back biting, worldly so called christians they were when they first started going there. Many of these which go to bars and get drunk, fornicate on a daily basis, and cuss like sailors when they are not in church. I’m sure this is not the case with everyone at Newspring. Newspring is getting a lot of people to come to church but not many to Christ. The thing about Jesus’ people is, if you look throughout the scripture, God’s people are always a minority! Always! Enoch-God saved one person! Noah and his family-only saved 8. Children of Israel-Out of 2 million that came out of Egypt only 2 of the original (Joshua & Caleb) made it into the promised land. Jesus only had 12 disciples, and one was a devil. 1 Peter 3:20 “Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.”
    Matthew 7:14 “Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”
    The point that people are making in saying “just look at all the thousands of people coming to Newspring, that shows that God is with us!” It Actually proves the opposite! God does not count his people, the Devil does that. God is looking for the character of the person, not the numbers.
    Matthew 22:14 “For many are called, but few are chosen.”

  16. shauna says:

    I only c that u r looking and picking to find something wrong with him.if u seek bad u will surly will find it. i think u should clear ur heart and mind and look at ur true motaves. see GOD want u to pray for people not besmerch there names on the web. if u love with ur heart as GOD loves u would go to him with loving words and say it dont think this is right. how do u save souls surly not by saying ur wrong and talking bad about them. u teach, u love, u pray. would u do this to a family member? we r a body so stop smacking ur self ur just making ur self look bad. dont need bible verses to c that ur heart was in the wrong place for this. you dont have to like it but u must love him regardless. is ur sins any smaller then mine or his or anyones??? NO! stop picking at specks.

    truthfuly with love shauna

  17. flowersofmoss says:

    I think the one thing that always comes to my mind when this subject comes up is in 1 Corinthians (6 I think) where Paul is talking about what kinds of foods you should eat. He says, “Everything is permissible – but not everything is beneficial, not everything is constructive.” He goes on (I’ll have to paraphrase a bit) to say that as long as what you’re doing is for the glory of God or causes your “brother” to stumble then it should raise no question of concience. I know this is speaking specifically about food, but I see that it certainly would apply to other things of the world. I guess we just need to be really careful about what we’re doing or saying.

  18. Dan says:

    I find it interesting that people say that Perry is cussing. You see, there are things that society says you should say. For example, Jesus calling the religious leaders “son’s of hell” was WAY out of bounds based on what the religious society said. In fact, Jesus said quite a few things that were not socially acceptable. So, was Jesus bad? Now, with that said, I was raised in a conservative church and in the ministry. There are many people (Elders and Deacons) in the conservative church environment (even the Calvinist) that are one thing on Sunday but they run their business in a manner that is far worse than course words from the pulpit.

    With evangelism comes greater numbers. If a church does a good job of evangelism…just what do you do with the people? NewSpring already has 4 “churches” across the state and is getting ready to start a 5th. Each has their own pastoral staff to do the pastoral work at each campus. Perry does the preaching. This way there isn’t 4x the cost of having a preaching pastor at each campus. Churches grow. Some more than others. The question is…what are they living as church members. I know a few people to (say the least) at NewSpring and have seen their lives turn to following Jesus! Isn’t that what it’s all about?

    You see, I’ve been in contact with “Fighting for the Faith”. They accuse Noble (and others) of things but didn’t respond to me until I said they were no better if they didn’t respond. Then they responed immediately saying they got all kinds of email and it takes time to respond. However, they responded to the email I had just sent. Get the picture? I was taught journalism by the guy who founded Family News in Focus for Dobson. Fighting for the Faith isn’t journalism to say the least.

    My guess is that you had a falling out with someone at NewSpring since you are a former member (if I read it right). Did you follow Matt. 18 concerning the matter? If you are still in the area I’d be more than happy to assist you in the process at getting to the truth of your situation.

  19. Dan says:

    ” I know this is speaking specifically about food, but I see that it certainly would apply to other things of the world.” Don’t let Chris at Fighting for the Faith see you posted that. They call it eisigesis….

  20. Legrand says:

    So much gossip about churches and men of God. This is just rediculous. I wasted my time reading this blog and all these comments when I could have been reading my bible or inviting someone else to NewSpring. One of my friends was saved at NewSpring last night! And the official total salvations at NewSpring yesterday was 497! That’s 497 souls that won’t go to hell because someone invited them to church, they heard the gospel of Jesus, and now their lives are changed! You shall know them by their fruits! If it isn’t real, God wouldn’t allow it to grow. I’m done here. God is bigger than all this gossip and back biting all those who are truely preaching the gospel and winning the lost! It’s always the people who don’t get their way in church that resort to this sort of thing. I’ve seen it too many times. They try to divide the church (which Satan love) and when it’s divided, usually God blesses the ones that are true to Him. And the people of NewSpring are truely blessed.

  21. Legrand,

    Nice rant!

    Typical New$pring drive by….

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