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Many times in discussions about God’s grace the subject of Calvinism surfaces. There seems to be a lot of energy put into this debate over how God uses His grace to save people. The question of the elect is a hot spot for debate by non-Calvinist. The point of this blog is not to debate the Doctrines of Grace or to debate the subject of God’s elect. Over the years, I have talked to many Christians who do not claim to be Calvinist, who openly reject all aspects of TULIP, and are humble godly Christians who love the Lord. One ironic thing I have found in common with those who reject Calvinism is when they are praying for salvation and how it reflects a Calvinist type of prayer.

Lord please reach down and save “insert name”. Save him/her Lord. Convict them and save them.” a non-Calvinist

Do you see anything a little odd in this example? I don’t personally know of a non-Calvinist who would not pray that God saves someone. When these people pray do they not understand that this is a Calvinist type prayer in asking God to save someone? Should the prayer be worded like this?

Lord please reach down and convict “insert name” of their sin. Lord allow the Holy Spirit to convict them so that they may accept You“. a non-Calvinist

I know this may seem to be a play on words, but I believe that we should be very clear in our words concerning our beliefs and faith. My point is I wonder how many non-Calvinist say a prayer asking God to save a person without thinking about what they are actually asking God to do. I’m not saying these people are not saved etc… Even thought I disagree with them, I can see their points about salvation and why they reject Calvinism.

Romans 3:10-11

10. as it is written,

aThere is none righteous, not even one;

11.  There is none who understands,

There is none who seeks for God; [1]

I’m I way off on these points?

Any insights?


aPs 14:1–3; 53:1–3

[1]New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (Ro 3:10-11). LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.

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Comments
  1. christianclarityreview says:

    The battle over prayer is a worthy battle. Praying outside the bounds of the lie of human free will is one of the hallmarks of Christian growth and being an effective blessing to your brethren.

    Your example is evidence of a partial understanding of grace by those persons, that no one is saved minus God’s intervention.

    But those same people, because they are deceived they have free will, are then used of Satan to pray for people to be in better adherence to whatever personal ideology they may have of the moment. In effect, they see their personal outlook as Truth and want their neighbors to be more in adherence with the way they see things.

    “God please stop (insert name) from doing x and start them doing y” is a non-Calvinistic prayer in the guise of being somewhat Calvinistic in its appeal for Divine Intervention. In reality, it is simply one free willer trying to use a back door ( as regards their own outlook of what it takes to ‘change people’s minds and hearts’ “of their own free will” ) to coerce the behavior of another via God and even then to do or to stop doing things that later on both parties would admit were wrong as they learned more about life and Christ. There is nothing Calvinistic about those types of prayers.

    Mature Calvinists as new creatures in Jesus Christ know that prayer for both ourselves and others has to be q gift of God both as what-to-pray for and as that prayer itself as distinct from non-creating speech. There are no moral or just prayers that come from Satan for any reason.

    Total lack of free will mandates that God be active in every area of our life. When you are deceived you have even partial free will, you being to feel smarter than you actually are about the spiritual intelligence necessary to know effective prayers. Put another way: if your enemy is attacking you, the first thing God will give you is prayer for your enemy. That prayer, what it is and what it contains gives you intelligence about the enemy you could never have otherwise gotten. If you think you have even partial free will, you will always be putting your own common sense forth as prayer even as your best benevolence and not know the real situation.

    God sends real prayer. All other prayer is lies. How are we to search the mind of God in every instant to know what to pray for? God as Spirit does that for us and through us.

    Romans 8:26,27 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

    timothy

    In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

  2. Thanks for the post Timothy.

    Let me clarify something for all readers:

    “I’m not saying these people are doctrinally off because I can see their points about salvation and why they reject Calvinism.”

    I really worded this poorly. I did not convey my point that I can see why they reject Calvinism even though I disagree with them. It sounded like I agreed with them and this was not my intent. I typed this blog rather quickly today and I should have proof read it more 🙂

  3. anonymous says:

    The question that I have is why would the calvinist pray for someones salvation in the first place. If God has already elected the person from before the beginning of time, then what difference would the prayer make?

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