Listen as John Piper spins the truth about Rick Warren. Over the years, Rick Warren has proven he is a false teacher but John Piper cannot see this simple truth.

I wonder how John Piper will spin this about Rick Warren being sound in theology:

It’s sad to watch as a man of God falls into the pits of carnality and sin. In my opinion, John Piper’s fall started years ago when he started hanging out with Mark Driscoll.

  1. I’ve read on other blogs where people are hinting that only reformed people will disagree with this move by Piper. This goes far beyond the Reformed movement, every God fearing and God loving Christian who loves the Word of God should be outraged by John Piper.

    John Piper is a wolf. He is a sly wolf who is very dangerous because his doctrines are 99% correct. The 1% poison that he is endorsing through his ministry taints everything he does. I know people will say that I’m overreacting, but the truth is a no one who reads this blog would drink a glass of water with one drop of Cyanide in it. You would not rick your physical health by drinking tainted water, so why would you risk your spiritual health by following a tainted preacher?

    We must contend for the faith even when it’s not popular to do so.

    2 Timothy 4:1-4 (New American Standard Bible)

    2 Timothy 4

    “Preach the Word”

    1 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom:

    2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.

    3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,

    4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

  2. you are so right, david.

    The 1% poison that John Piper is endorsing through his ministry taints everything he does.

    glad you and others out there tell it like it is.

  3. LMW says:

    I am not reformed and I do not agree with this move by Piper.

    Even though I consider Piper a part of the apostate church – Warren is a far worse heretick.

    Piper simply believes that “gain is godliness”.

  4. JG says:

    I’m not reformed either and I don’t agree with this. Warren has to come to terms and renounce his teachings before speaking to the sheep.

  5. SK says:

    We left our previous church because it had gone Purpose Driven. Warren preaches another gospel, a man-centered one. He twists scripture and yanks the verses out of context. Warren is friends with the world and the world likes him.

    Warren’s road is wide and popular.

    God adds to the church, not some marketing program from California. God saves wicked, wretched sinners and gives them a new heart. His shed blood averts God’s wrath and washes our sins away. God imputes Christ’s perfect righteousness to us. He died in our place and rose again.

    Warren says one thing privately but then preaches something else.

    Lord come quickly.

  6. agnoscere says:

    The thing that people keep missing about Piper’s invitation of Warren to this event is that it’s a CONFERENCE. Conferences are not worship services; they’re about debate and exchange of ideas. The subject matter of the conference and the fact that Warren is a major force in the subject matter under discussion (whether you think that’s a good thing or not) warrants his participation whether anyone agrees with him or not. Honestly, do you people not know the difference between preaching and inquiry?

  7. Either way you spin it, Rick Warren should not be speaking. The worse part of this whole ordeal is how John Piper uplifted Rick Warren as doctrinally sound. This compromise is deadly because people will view Rick Warren’s false gospel as the truth. So regardless of if this event is a conference, worship service, a sermon series, etc… the real danger is John Piper’s approval of Rick Warren as a doctrinally sound teacher. If you cannot see this simple truth then I cannot help you.

  8. Rob Willmann says:

    So John “likes him”, yet is “frustrated by some of his stuff.”

    Has John Piper really looked at Warren’s P.E.A.C.E. plan? Pastor Piper seemed to think that Warren’s plan was a thing to be admired. How does that work?


  9. Acidri says:

    I cannot endure false doctrine, however neatly it may be put before me. Would you have me eat poisoned meat because the dish is of the choicest ware? It makes me indignant when I hear another gospel put before the people with enticing words, by men who would fain make merchandise of souls; and I marvel at those who have soft words for such deceivers…Their powerless theology cannot of itself arouse sufficient enthusiasm to enable them to build a mousetrap at the expense of their admirers. -Charles Spurgeon

  10. Rose says:

    John Piper is losing it. He is into this intellectual and mind junk and complicating the simplicity of the gospel. I hope some other strong bible teaching pastors recognize this and will exhort him.

  11. MRWBBIII says:


  12. jodi says:

    How quick we are to condemn and label a dear brother who has been faithful to God for many, many years- who only recently has said and done a few troubling things. I do not diminish the concern we should all have over Bro. Piper’s actions, but where is the Christian love for a brother who stumbles? Should we not pray that his feet are pulled from the fire instead of washing our hands of him and calling him a heretic? A heretic, really?
    John Piper has fought and won battles that we know nothing about and we would probably cower if we had to face them, yet this is the treatment he gets when he stumbles?
    You should all be ashamed and pray you never get the same treatment should you stumble. But that will probably never happen, right?
    I am saddened over everyone’s response on this blog and others- so smug and self-serving, so full of hateful condemnation, and hardly a word of love or of prayer for this man who really needs it right now. Have you forgotten our faith is a gift, and not of ourselves, lest any man should boast? Or “take heed if you think you stand, lest you fall”? Take heed brothers and sisters.

  13. Christian love is admonishing a brother when he is clearly wrong and rebelling against the Bible’s commandments. John Piper is wrong period.

    Jodi, I do not know what blog you are reading but your observation of people being “smug” “hateful” and “hardly a word of love” is not found on this blog.

    I find it amazing how the “do not judge crowd” are the first in line to judge against godly discernment, but they are ever so eager to defend errors. These types of Christians sat silent as a church mouse while wolves enter into the flock, but when a Christian speaks against the wolf’s teachings they are the 1st in line to condemn this Berean!

  14. Rollins says:

    I agree with Jodi. I deeply appreciate this and other discernment blogs, as the American church is sadly lacking in discernment and reverence for the Word of God. However, I feel that while pointing out the errors of spiritual teachers (which is necessary), we can become so focused on their wrongs that we become prideful and forget to “restore them gently” as the Word instructs us. Because we are human, our love for others can easily grow cold even as we sincerely seek to defend the pure Word of the Lord. We need to pray for Piper, that he will repent of his error and be restored to fellowship with the Lord.

  15. Just recently I spoke on ‘Rick Warren and things Purpose Driven’ and I reached radically different conclusions than those expressed by John Piper – especially about Warren’s ‘soundness’. My talk can be heard on this link – it is the talk listed for 17th March.

    Warmly in Christ

    Cecil Andrews
    ‘Take Heed’ Ministries
    Northern Ireland

  16. Ken Silva says:

    “We need to pray for Piper, that he will repent of his error and be restored to fellowship with the Lord.”

    With all due resepect, whoever said we shouldn’t, or that we aren’t?

    As one who is involved in online apologetics and discernment ministry, I weary of those who equate what we do as merely wanting to tear someone down.

    Dr. Piper is a dear brother in Christ; and none of those I’m involved with have said otherwise.

  17. Daniel and Kayla says:

    Faith without works is dead.

    Not that works get us into Heaven. We get into Heaven by grace alone through faith in Christ. We ARE called to live holy lives, however. That is all Warren is saying. Don’t just take your “get out of jail free card” and go live your life however you want to. Live righteously. Preach the good news, feed the hungry, love your neighbor, forgive those who wrong you, etc.

    What in the world is wrong with that?

  18. re-inventing says:

    Daniel and Kayla,
    that is not all the Warren is saying.

    there are many things he has said that make him out to be a deceiver.
    Of course he says some of the right things. That’s what a wolf does.

    Look more closely at him.
    Look at what his purpose driven plans have done to churches. He is responsible for the splitting of entire congregations! I was in one that was split by his methods.

    He says things like it’s ok to leave a person as a Hindu, or a Buddest and that they are saved.

    I am saying that he thinks that as long as the Hindu follows the social gospel that Warren is pushing with his world PEACE plan, than that Hindu will be ok in the end.
    That’s simple heresy,
    and he teaches rubbish.

    Warren and Piper are going beyond Scripture.

    The Word says not to go beyond Scripture.

    In my small town area of Illinois every single church is now part of Warrens Purpose Driven Program, or are pushing contemplative heresy, or are Catholic, Christian Scientist, Mormon, or Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    so I have my choice of going to a cult, or back to the Catholic church or participate in the PEACE plan or a contemplative church.
    No way.

    I fled my church and am staying home now
    Piper was idolized by my last church, which is part of Baptist General Conference, now Converge, and they embraced the Brother Andrew deception “Practicing the Presence of God’ . As a former devoted Catholic I was alarmed that my pastor was into this. I talked to him. Got no where. Left that place fast!

    SO, I think Danial and Kayla that you are taking this whole situation of the church at large much too lightly.

    This is why many here are upset with Piper.

    I have loved his ministry, his books, his sermons.

    But enough is enough.
    It’s time to halt the spread of the social gospel in our lives.

    It’s too late for my area.
    More and more people are leaving the church and staying home.

    It’s the fault of many leaders, including Piper, and Warren.

    But as a parent I have to guard my child from all evil.

    So I stay away from the visible church which is seeking to destroy the work of God in my child’s life and mine.
    good day

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  20. Veronica says:

    I agree with Jodi and Rollins. I don’t agree with Piper’s move, but I wouldn’t go so far as to call him a false teacher. I agree that Rick, if he currently believes the gospel and has amended many of his teachings, should renounce his former teachings before speaking at a Christian conference.

    But I don’t agree that it is loving, humble admonishment to call a man a wolf. Yes, we challenge sin and call it out. Is that what was going on in the comments here, or was it just strong condemnation?

    Even when Paul opposed Peter to his face, did he call him a wolf? Did he assert that Peter wasn’t Christian?

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