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We here at DefCon (as well as our brothers and sisters at other sites, such as Ken Silva and Ingrid Schlueter) use the written Word of God as the rule and basis for everything we believe about God and how one is to worship Him. For that, we are constantly accused of being “Pharisees” by those who would lead the Body of Christ away from the clear teachings of Scripture, and into areas which are questionable (at best) and/or heretical (at worst).

Well, here’s my question–what exactly does it mean to be a “Pharisee”? Are we justly accused as Pharisees by the Seeker-Driven™/Purpose-Driven™, “Let’s all just get along in unity” church-goer who does not dare speak for fear that it may offend someone? Or is there a more accurate description of a Pharisee? Let us examine the issue.(source)

Please visit Defending.Contending to read the rest of this well written article that explains from the Bible the characteristics of a Pharisee.


You’re likely aware that the online apologetics and discernment work Apprising Ministries has shown you the sinfully ecumenical Emerging Church aka Emergent Church—that morphed into Emergence Christianity (EC) was a creation of Leadership Network right along with it Purpose Driven/Seeker Driven Pope Rick Warren. In Emerging Towards Convergence Christian researcher Sarah Leslie at Herescope explains:

We know that the current Emergent Church is a marketing phenomenon, set up as an official movement by Bob Buford’s Leadership Network, a historical fact which we documented in a series of Herescope posts in 2005 and 2006.[2] From its very inception in the 1980s Leadership Network imported a number of leading New Age business “gurus” as “experts” – holding nebulous (if any!) Christian credentials. (Online source)

In recent pieces like Did Brian McLaren Overplay His Hand? and Brian McLaren Invites You On His Quest To Destroy Christianity I’ve shown you that with his new book A New Kind of Christianity (ANKoC) McLaren, now a Living Spiritual Teacher alongside such as Deepak Chopra, the Dalai LamaThich Nhat Hanh, Eckhart Tolle, and Marianne Williamson, has come out of the closet, as it were, and has all but laid out his reimagined i.e. new form of Progessive Christianity aka liberal theology that so many in the EC actually adhere to as well.

With this in mind I point you to an important post from Chris Rosebrough, host of Fighting for the Faith on Pirate Christian Radio, who’s also a contributor to AM’s sister outreach Christian Research Network. Rosebrough begins his piece at Extreme Theology by informing us:

Rick Warren, Bob Bufford and Bill Hybels are the Druckerite “trinity”. All three of these men were personally mentored by the late business guru Peter Drucker and these three men more than any others are responsible for innovating the church by purposely changing congregations from a pastoral leadership model to a CEO / Innovative Change Agent leadership model. All of these innovations were strategically crafted under the careful eye of Peter Drucker. And all of these innovations were incubated, introduced and injected into the church through the coordinated efforts of Drucker’s disciples through their different but intimately connected organizations; Leadership Network, the Purpose Driven Network and the Willow Creek Association.

What many people don’t realize is that the Emerging Church is a product created by and promoted by the Druckerites.

If you don’t believe me then it is time for you to listen to or re-listen to my interview with Doug Pagitt regarding the genesis of the Emerging Church. Pagitt provides us with an expert insiders look at how the Emerging Church came into being and got off of the ground. What you will discover is that without the Druckerites there may have never been an ‘emerging church’. The Druckerites formed, bankrolled and promoted the Emerging Church much the same way a music marketing company might form and promote a boy band like the Backstreet Boys or N Sync.

Here’s the interview… (Online source)

You can listen to Rosebrough’s interview with quasi-universalist Emerging Church leader Doug Pagitt, as well as read in the rest of his article, right here.

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For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. (Jude 4, ESV)

Warning: Apostasy In Your Mirror Closer Than You Think

In posts like Meet Outlaw Preachers and Communion With Outlaw Preacher Khad Young recently Apprising Ministries has introduced you to a rather rapscallion bunch, who’ve crowned themselves outlaw preachers and who are now slithering up all around head Outlaw, gay affirming “pastor” Jay Bakker. As I previously pointed out, this growing, largely Biblically illiterate, group of  *cough* “preachers” is currently quite busy Turning God’s Grace Into An Idol.

For more on what is meant by that the interested reader is referred to ELCA, Gospel Reductionism, And Homosexuality; but simply, these “out” laws actually end up as “no” laws. The point being, their message over-emphasizes the grace of God neglecting the conviction of sin, which ends up in an antinomianism. But what’s this got to do with the egregiously ecumenical Emerging Church aka Emergent Church de-formation of the Christian faith—now morphing into Emergence Christianity (EC)?

I’m glad you asked; what’s important for you to know is that, as it continues swallowing up mainstream evangelicalism, it’s also embracing these self-styled outlaw preachers as well. We take for example a couple of EC “Voices” who were supposedly revealing “the way the Christianity will be changing in coming days” at the recently concluded Christianity 21, which was put on by heretical Emerging Church theologian Tony Jones and his equally heretical quasi-universalist Emergent Church pastor Doug Pagitt.

One of them is “queer inclusive” ELCA “pastor,” and former “professional f**k-up,” Nadia Bolz-Weber. In the AM post Outlaw Preacher Nadia Bolz-Weber you’ll see she has announced herself as an outlaw preacher and has already appeared on the Outlaw Preachers precast, hosted by the aforementioned Khad Young, which was the forerunner to the Outlaw Preachers podcast mentioned below. As a matter of fact Bolz-Weber is in this debut episode along with Bakker’s assistant “pastor” Vince Anderson.

And then yesterday EC pastrix Makeesha Fisher, who will be attending the Outlaw Preacher’s Reunion being held at Bolz-Weber’s church in May 2010, tweeted the below because she wanted to make sure those following the errors of this Emerging/ent/ence form of Christianity knew about the:

Outlaw Preachers podcast episode 1 (Online source)

Evangelical leaders can sleep on if they want to, but some of us will continue to attempt to make you aware that the warped and toxic teachings of such as these have been dripping into your Youth Groups and Young Adult classes for years now. As I informed you e.g. in Ex-Homosexual Friend Of Apprising Ministries one of the pet doctrines of these vipers is attempting to convince us that the deviant lifestyle of having sexual relations with another of the same sex, i.e homosexuality, is a viable one for the evangelical Christian.

And this is why AM has been continuing to warn that there’s a very dark and threatening same-sex storm right now approaching hurricane force which is currently only slightly off the coast of your own local church.

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Purpose driven false teachers

Purpose driven false teachers

But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” – Genesis 3:4,5 (ESV)

We have been warned over and over again concerning the emergent “church”, many times before, in many ways, by the likes of Ken Silva, Ingrid Schlueter, Chris Rosebrough and many other among the faithful, defending the biblical doctrines once and for all delivered to the saints long ago.

Yet in spite of such warnings, the movement apparently continues to grow. Disheartening? For the moment, perhaps, yet God remains upon His throne, working out His purposes for His glory…and yes, even by means of wicked men and women.

Which brings me to this: There has been much talk recently regarding the ‘root’ if you will, of emergent thinking. This is good. It is well that those who are concerned know precisely where the source of emergent thinking begins, and quite helpful to be able to track down the progressive trail of such thinking. Imagine discovering a river, and desiring to reveal it’s beginning, to find the smaller body of water, then, the creek, and finally, detecting the origin at a mountaintop.

It’s possible that we have often times become absorbed in the details of doctrinal error to the point we have, at least temporarily, lost sight of the bigger picture. For example, in regards to ‘emergent’ thinking, there is much talk recently of Jurgen Moltman, Hegel and his ilk, all contributing their erroneous view of truth to the present abomination of the emergent mindset. Wonderful, and much needed information! However, I think it good, and profitable, to step back, and once again see where Moltman, Hegel, and not coincidently, the emergent leaders of today have derived their foul teachings and the source of their deliberate deception of the people of God. Yes, I know, we can all say ‘It’s because of sin.” True. But sin doesn’t merely cause folks to be blurred in regard to the truth. No, sin has done far more damage than that.

We, as Christians, can talk until our faces are the proverbial blue, but until we realize the very basic, biblical foundation of the emergent mentality, it does little good to speak of Moltmann, etc to those who are unfamiliar with the foundational pile of dung from which comes ‘emergent christianity’.

So then, in the words of Chris Rosebrough, “we continue…”

I have every confidence in saying that from Rick Warren to Nadia Bolz-Weber and everyone in between…and below…., none of the emergent leaders are pleased with being reminded that they are not God. They are mere creatures.

If you look at the quote at the beginning of this article, you will see Satan’s temptation to Eve. “You will be as God.” Since the fall of man, many have taken that bait, again and again. It is now their nature to do so. They crave it, rebellion that is. After all, Satan promised Adam and Eve divinity, and they took the bait. Eve was wrong because she did not take into account the revealed will of God. Mankind struggles with the same infirmity to this day.

The leading voices of the emergent church are trampling on God’s revealed will through His only Word to man, the Bible. They are spitting on His revealed Word. “Holiness and separation from the world be damned, we will have our way, we shall be as God.”

Yet determining right from wrong, good from evil is the absolute prerogative of God Almighty. No other. It has been said:

Identitfy the source of moral authority in any society, and you have identified the god of that society” (Greg Mills).

Even a cursory view of Scripture reveals the fact that the practice of living out a belief system that man determines right from wrong for himself is rebellion against God.

In our present day, biblical morality, a result of true regeneration by the work of the Holy Spirit of God, is being lost as men and women – in this case, the voices of the emergent church – continue to attempt to to be their own god by determining right and wrong both for themselves and for others, despising the Word of God,… despising God Himself by rejecting His revealed truth in the Word and any notion of coming judgment by the Son of Man, Jesus Christ.

The leading voices of the emergent church are not merely rebelling, they are leading an assault on the very prerogative of God Himself, in determining good from evil, as generations of unregenerate souls have done for so very long.

They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” – Rev. 6:10

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The problem is that the needed reformation within evangelicalism won’t occur at all if false ideas that undermine our core theological convictions cannot be openly attacked and excluded. When peaceful coexistence “with our deepest differences” becomes priority one and conflict per se is demonized as inherently sub-Christian, any and every false religious belief can and will demand an equal voice in the “conversation.”

That has actually been happening for some time already. Listen, for example, to what some of the leading voices in and around the Emergent movement have said. Tony Campolo is a popular speaker and author who has a major influence in evangelical circles. He believes evangelicals should be in dialogue with Islam, seeking common ground. In an interview conducted by Shane Claiborne,Campolo said:

I think that the last election aggravated a significant minority of the evangelical community, believing that they did not want to come across as anti-gay, anti-women, anti-environment, pro war, pro capital punishment, and anti-Islam. There is going to be one segment of evangelicalism, just like there is one segment in Islam that is not going to be interested in dialogue. But there are other evangelicals who will want to talk and establish a common commitment to a goodness with Islamic people and Jewish people particularly.

Brian McLaren is perhaps the best-known figure in the Emergent conversation. He thinks the future of the planet—not to mention the salvation of religion itself (including Christianity)—depends on a cooperative search for the real meaning of Jesus’ message. In McLaren’s assessment, this means an ongoing dialogue between Christians and followers of all other religions. This, he is convinced, is of the utmost urgency:

In an age of global terrorism and rising religious conflict, it’s significant to note that all Muslims regard Jesus as a great prophet, that many Hindus are willing to consider Jesus as a legitimate manifestation of the divine, that many Buddhists see Jesus as one of humanity’s most enlightened people, and that Jesus himself was a Jew, and without understanding his Jewishness, one doesn’t understand Jesus. A shared reappraisal of Jesus’ message could provide a unique space or common ground for urgently needed religious dialogue—and it doesn’t seem an exaggeration to say that the future of our planet may depend on such dialogue. This reappraisal of Jesus’ message may be the only project capable of saving a number of religions, including Christianity.

Indiscriminate congeniality, the quest for spiritual common ground, and peace at any price all naturally have great appeal, especially in an intellectual climate where practically the worst gaffe any thoughtful person could make is claiming to know what’s true when so many other people think something else is true. Besides, dialogue does sound nicer than debate. Who but a fool wouldn’t prefer a calm conversation instead of conflict and confrontation?

In fact, let’s state this plainly once more: Generally speaking, avoiding conflicts is a good idea. Warmth and congeniality are normally preferable to cold harshness. Civility, compassion, and good manners are in short supply these days, and we ought to have more of them. Gentleness, a soft answer, and a kind word usually go farther than an argument or a rebuke. That which edifies is more helpful and more fruitful in the long run than criticism. Cultivating friends is more pleasant and more profitable than crusading against enemies. And it’s ordinarily better to be tender and mild rather than curt or combative—especially to the victims of false teaching.

But those qualifying words are vital: usually, ordinarily, generally. Avoiding conflict is not always the right thing. Sometimes it is downright sinful. Particularly in times like these, when almost no error is deemed too serious to be excluded from the evangelical conversation, and while the Lord’s flock is being infiltrated by wolves dressed like prophets, declaring visions of peace when there is no peace (cf. Ezekiel 13:16). Even the kindest, gentlest shepherd sometimes needs to throw rocks at the wolves who come in sheep’s clothing. (The Jesus You Can’t Ignore: What You Must Learn from the Bold Confrontations of Christ, 17-19)

John MacArthur

The above article was taken from by Ken Silva