Archive for the ‘Tithe’ Category

The tithe is the point at which the prosperity gospel and the purpose driven churches meet and marry – ultimately because in each case what is being preached is that you make God indebted to you…and it lines the coffers to support all that high-end production. Ultimately, it would appear that the god being served – the way it’s being preached, at least – is a god of personal peace and comfort (Baal), and not the God of Heaven and Earth.- Barbara (source)

There is so much error and Scripture twisting done by Perry Noble in this small 3:13 minute video clip, I could easily spend many weeks rebuking it via this blog. This hireling will attack and say anything to general $$$$$ for his self-help center!

I challenge any Noble defender to look up all these passages CEO Noble referenced and simply read it in full context. Perry Noble depends on his people (you) being illiterate when it comes to the Holy Scriptures. It’s time for more of us to work hard studying the Word like the Bereans, instead of being lazy sheep who only care about getting a weekly dose of religion once a week from the pulpit/stage!

Acts 17:10-11

New International Version (NIV)

10 As soon as it was night, the believers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. 11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

Here is a good article from In Weakness, Grace Abounds by Ron concerning tithing, Perry Noble, etc.

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I’m sure Jesus and the Apostles would have used this back in the day!

It’s sickening how these mooching mystics will spend $$$$$ on a “tithing kiosk” instead of using that money to help those in need. This is yet another example of what is wrong with Christianity today.

Why can’t these people teach what the NT said about giving? Did they forget the story Jesus told about the woman who gave from the heart? Did they forget about the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector? No, the ones who teach the 10%  tithe are corrupt and their “god” is broke. The “god” of the tithe teachers is one that NEEDS man’s creation:money, in order to do His will. Every time the subject of tithing is blown out of the water by the NT, these people always run back to Malachi to twist and distort this beautiful OT book.

Here is a classic example coming from New$pring Church CEO Perry Noble:

Does God require me to give a tithe of all I earn?

Leviticus 27:30-33; Deuteronomy 14:22-29; Exodus 25:2; 1 Chronicles 29:9
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Does God require me to give a tithe of all I earn?

Two kinds of giving are taught consistently throughout Scripture: giving to the government (always compulsory), and giving to God (always voluntary).

The issue has been greatly confused, however, by some who misunderstand the nature of the Old Testament tithes. Tithes were not primarily gifts to God, but taxes for funding the national budget in Israel.

Because Israel was a theocracy, the Levitical priests acted as the civil government. So the Levite’s tithe (Leviticus 27:30-33) was a precursor to today’s income tax, as was a second annual tithe required by God to fund a national festival (Deuteronomy 14:22-29). Smaller taxes were also imposed on the people by the law (Leviticus 19:9-10; Exodus 23:10-11). So the total giving required of the Israelites was not 10 percent, but well over 20 percent. All that money was used to operate the nation.

All giving apart from that required to run the government was purely voluntary (cf. Exodus 25:2; 1 Chronicles 29:9). Each person gave whatever was in his heart to give; no percentage or amount was specified.

New Testament believers are never commanded to tithe. Matthew 22:15-22 and Romans 13:1-7 tell us about the only required giving in the church age, which is the paying of taxes to the government. Interestingly enough, we in America presently pay between 20 and 30 percent of our income to the government–a figure very similar to the requirement under the theocracy of Israel.

The guideline for our giving to God and His work is found in 2 Corinthians 9:6-7: “Now this I say, he who sows sparingly shall also reap sparingly; and he who sows bountifully shall also reap bountifully. Let each one do just as he has purposed in his heart; not grudgingly or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver.” (source)

Why are so many churches following the purpose driven seeker-sensitive movement? I’ve seen several Southern Baptist churches go down this path as they seek to find ways to draw people into their churches. I’ve attended a few Southern Baptist Churches over the years, and I have family who have been in the SBC for decades. I’m not picking on the SBC only, but I will use it as my foundation (simply because I am familiar with it) to ponder why so many of churches have adopted Rick Warren’s way to grow a church. As I pondered, observed, read, and talked to many people who are involved in churches that have became purpose driven, I realized the true problem lies within the church leadership. These pastors and elders are the ones driving this shift. I believe the bulk of the problem falls upon the pastor because many members are just following his leadership. I’ve talked to many members who have good intentions and they are very sincere in their beliefs. So just to be very clear with everyone reading this blog, my main emphasis in on the church leadership. I do feel members of the church are responsible for speaking out against errors. I’m not giving them the pardon because they should be following the Berean example found in Acts 17:11. I believe many of these people are deceived by the lure of church growth. They buy into the belief of  “the end justifies the means” in order to spread the name of Jesus. With all that being said, I believe the answer to my question is a simple answer that is offensive and blunt because it hits the root of the problem. The answer is money.

Most of the churches that adopt Rick Warren’s methods to grow:

  • Pastors/elders from these churches are worried about money. They worry about how to pay their salaries, benefits, and bills.
  • These churches are centered around numbers. They are obsessed with numbers and memberships. Church growth is all that matters to them because they look at growth as God’s blessing.
  • More people = more tithes (See: Tithing ). Money is the driving force moving these churches toward the purpose driven seeker-sensitive movement.

1 Timothy 6:10 (NASB)

10 For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

I believe many churches fall prey to Rick Warren’s poison because their eyes have fallen away from Jesus. They are being held captive by their own goals now as they gaze upon numbers and tithing instead of sticking to God’s way for growing the Kingdom of the Lord. They look around and compare themselves to these seeker-sensitive self-help centers, envying their numbers each week. This envy leads to making changes from within the church to compete with these new “hip” and “cool” modern day worship centers. The closer these churches draw to mimicking these seeker-sensitive self-help centers, the farther they remove themselves from sound doctrine and sola scriptura. This transition leads to a church that looks and acts just like the world, the only difference being the church adds the name of “Jesus” and “worship” to everything.

Some signs of a purpose driven takeover from within the church:

  • The church starts looking into marketing schemes.
  • The church starts heavily promoting the pastor’s vision vs. simply teaching the whole council of God.
  • The use of non-offensive terminology to replace words like  “sinner,” “Hell deserving,” and “total depravity”  in order not to offend sinners.
  • When your pastor starts talking about “life change” and how “Jesus wants to change your life” will lead to the false life change gospel that depends on yourself rather than Jesus Christ.
  • The formation of life groups as a way to kick start volunteer service and getting people to come to church.
  • Less focus is on Bible study and more focus on reading self-help topical books by Christian authors.
  • When your church starts sending out pamphlets advertising an event or guest speaker vs. promoting true discipleship.
  • When your church goes into debt for a worship leader, new big screen TV’s, spends money on billboards, pays for big name speakers, etc. instead of helping those who are poor and/or in need.
  • When your church starts looking at every body as an investment vs. a child of God.
  • When your pastor starts quoting Rick Warren, Andy Stanley, Mark Driscoll, and other problematic leaders from the pulpits.
  • When your church starts doing sermon series based on relevant issues to help with today’s problem (series that are designed for the un-churched) vs. deep sermons designed to build up the body of Christ.
  • When your church starts programs on financial freedom, yet the church is still in debt and still spending money it does not have.
  • When your church starts placing heavy emphasis on music and worship while down playing deep Bible teaching from the pulpit.
  • When your pastor/elders start speaking against discernment and only wanting to focus on unity and love.
  • When you pastor/elders turn a blind-eye to doctrinal errors taught by many leading Christian authors like Beth Moore, T.D. Jakes, Joel Osteen, etc. all in the name of church growth.

I feel one major problem that causes a church to accept the purpose driven dogma is putting too much emphasis on numbers. No church should be sending memos suggesting that the church needs to grow by “X” members this year and we would like to see “Y” baptisms take place. We should 100% depend on the preaching of the Gospel of Christ while depending on the Holy Spirit to draw people to Himself. We should be content with what the Lord gives us and not play a numbers game. I’m not saying that we should do nothing. On the contrary, I’m saying that we need to do more via the Bible’s outline and not Rick Warren’s business model. When we start looking only at numbers and dollar signs, then we are treading on dangerous grounds.

To avoid the snare of purpose driven seeker-sensitive gimmicks we should:

  • Depend on the preaching of the pure Gospel.
  • Always practice discernment and examine our beliefs with the scriptures.
  • Only use the methods promoted by the Word of God for spreading the Gospel.
  • Make disciples of new Christians and teach them how to spread the Good News.
  • Not worry about our numbers.
  • Understand we are not to be a mirror image of the world with “Jesus” attached to everything under the sun.
  • Not worry about money because the Lord will provide as He sees fit to provide for His people.
  • Not have a church that is in debt because a debtor is a slave to the lender (Proverbs 22:7).

Please feel free to comment and add to this list. I know other reasons are applicable, but I believe that money is the root problem that causes many churches to sale out to the purpose driven false gospel.

Discernment is telling the difference between right and almost right

1 Cor 5:1-13 An unpopular teaching by today’s Christian standards

When does worship become sin?

The Seeker-Sensitive Purpose Driven Church for the Carnal Nature of Mankind

The sad truth is this little video sums up a big problem within many churches today.

I long for the day when pastors actually study the tithe. The way the tithe is preached today is wrong. The people pushing the OT tithe are not actually obeying the OT law for tithing. It’s not hard to see the truth when you take the time to study the OT tithe and then compare it to what is taught today.


John MacArthur addresses tithing and how we are not under the OT Law. The way many churches teach tithing is wrong and it short changes the purpose of giving.

Does God require me to give a tithe of all I earn?

Puritan Belief pretty well sums up the problem with tithing as taught by the church today.

When I converted to Christianity at age 23, I started tithing because I was taught to tithe 10% by my church. The typical passages from Malachi was preached in regards to the tithe and how if we tithe then God will bless our giving.

Years later, I started researching the Bible seeking Scripture to back up all my beliefs. When I studied the tithe, I discovered that it is not taught correctly today. The book of Colossians chapter 2 deals with how we are free from the OT Law which also includes the tithe.

When dealing with the OT tithe, we must remember that when Jesus was walking the earth, He had not yet completed His atonement for sin. Because of this Jesus did instruct people to listen to the Rabbi and to continue following the requirements of the OT. After His sin atonement, Jesus gave us the new covenant of Grace thus abolishing the Law that was against us. If we are to tithe today are we also to bring sin sacrifices to the temple for our sins?

Here is the article from Puritan Belief http://puritanbelief.blogspot.com/2006/02/why-tithing-is-wrong.html