Posts Tagged ‘Freedom of religion’

I know this will cause a fire storm within some Christians because it goes against what they have been taught about the foundation of the United States of America. I’ve discussed this subject many times with fellow Christians over the years only to run into brick walls built around a foundation of misconceptions and wishful thinking. The idea our country was founded upon Christianity seems to have become a doctrine of the faith within some sects of Christianity. I hear many people ranging from local preachers to talk radio host pushing the idea that we must get the country back to it’s Christian roots. The truth is our Founding Fathers never intended our country to be ran by a religious theocracy and they setup safe guards to prevent this type of government. If the Founding Fathers intent was to base our country upon Christianity, then they did a pitiful job because no where is Jesus Christ or Christianity mentioned in the Bill of Rights and the U.S. Constitution.

If we study history, then we see all the problems associated with a theocracy. A theocracy is oppressive and as savage as any leftist dictatorship can be. All we need to do is look at Europe in the Middle Ages, Islam, and the Salem witch trails to see the problem with mixing religion with government.

The Founding Fathers fled an oppressive theocracy when they left Europe. It’s easy to see why they took every step possible to prevent this type of abuse in the United States. The concept of freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of the press is a safe guard against a religious theocracy or any form of oppressive government. Freedom and theocracy can never mix; it’s like saying that people are free while being under a Marxist regime. The one thing that a theocracy and Marxism have in common is how they enforce their rules which is by force backed up with a gun.

The Treaty of Tripoli is a very clear example of the the Founding Fathers view on Christianity and our government:

“As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”(source)

The following is a very good post from Jim Walker concerning the myth that our country was founded on Christianity. I do not agree with everything that Mr. Walker promotes or believes, but I do agree with him 100% on this issue.

The Government of the United States is not, in any sense founded on the Christian religion

Mr. Walker makes his points and back them up with facts. As Christians, we should not be concerned with using the government to convert people. We should be focused on spreading our beliefs peacefully and seeking to convert people by peace rather than with the threat of force to obey our rules.

As a pro-life Libertarian, I believe in the freedom of religion and the freedom from religion. I reject the notion that we must pass laws based upon religion in order to bring peace to our country. All we need are common sense laws. We all need to learn to respect each others differences as long as those differences do not harm other people. If we feel a need to change something within our community, then buy all means use our freedoms and peacefully try to convert people to Christianity rather than trying to use the government as a means of force feed surfdom!

Theocracy is a terrible oppressive form of government that rules by fear and manipulation. The same Christians wanting to pass laws based on Christianity, are the same people who would whine about Sharia Law. Please explain to me the difference between Sharia Law and laws based upon Christianity from a US Constitutional perspective. Our constitution forbids laws to be made based upon religion:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

If we do, as some say, use Christianity as a foundation for laws to get America back to her roots then we will 1.) Establish a state religion 2.) Forbid the free exercise of religions that do not line up with whatever Christian sect is making the rules 3.) Censor free speech and the press 4.) And citizens will have no avenue to protest their grievances with this new government. If we do as some claim, then America will cease to be America and transform in a bigger version of mid-evil Europe were religious oppression intruded upon mankind’s basic right to be an individual. I know this is very unpopular to talk about from this perspective, but as Christians we wait on Christ to establish His perfect kingdom on earth; if we choose to set about doing this work for God, all we will do is create a bigger mess. Our Founding Fathers were wise to establish a system were liberty was allowed to flourish and at the same time rear it’s ugly head.

I had rather live under our government that strictly adheres the constitution than one that “thumps” a Bible as they use the threat of force to cram their beliefs down everyone’s throat who dares to disagree. At least under our rights given to use by our Founding Fathers, I will have the freedom to speak, to think, to disagree publicly, and the freedom to spread my beliefs without the fear of being arrested, harassed, or murdered. We cannot allow the actions of liberty hating leftist (or conservative liberty hating bible thumpers blaming “freedom” for all our sin ills) to skew our views on liberty.

Those who hate Christianity have a right to speak out, but they do not have a right to pass laws in order to silence those who choose to be Christian; likewise Christians do not have the right to pass laws to silence those whom they deem as anti-Christian. Two wrongs do not make a right. The beauty of America is that we all have the ability and right to have these debates and discussions without fearing punishment.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.-Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

The bottom line is if Christians want to change the direction of our country then they need to start by spreading the Gospel. They need to disciple new converts and teach their congregations how to live a Christian life. This is far more effective than passing things like Blue Laws etc. and trying to strong arm society to accept our beliefs. In my opinion, Christians who used the government to make laws based on their “morals” or because they were “offended“, taught many atheist how to use government to push forth their agenda. All sides need to step back and appreciate our freedoms, respect each other’s differences, and grow some thicker skin! We all share this country together so lets live together in peace while accepting each other’s differences!

As we near the exhaustion of the Wisdom of this world which has not been able to shed enough light on our path in search for that Supreme Wisdom to keep us from stumbling and falling, we now seek the wisdom of Allah, the Best Knower and Guide in the Person of Master Fard Muhammad (to Whom be praised forever).  The reader will find that light in this book. -Honorable Elijah Muhammad, Messenger of Allah

I stand amazed at how the media refuses to report what the Nation of Islam teaches. This is a racist group that teaches vile hatred toward Caucasians and Jews. Back when all the controversy was surrounding Obama and Wright, I would have though someone would have discovered this information considering the fact that Obama’s church of 20 years has ties with the Nation of Islam. But low and behold, these people are given the pardon by the elites in DC and the media all because they are black. Racism is racism not matter what race is vomiting out the poison.

Just to clarify, I fully support the Nation of Islam’s right to exist and practice their religion as they see fit. As long as they are obeying the law and not forcing people into their beliefs, then they are protected by the U.S. Constitution just like everyone else in our country. I just hate the double standards in the American media. They will blind-eye black racism while going out of their way to prove racism even when racism does not exist.

*Here is what the Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught about the white race in his book called Message to the Blackman page 110-116

Our 66 trillion years from the moon has proven a great and wise show of the original power, to build wonders in the heavens and earth. Six thousand years ago, or to be more exact 6,600 years ago, as Allah taught me, our nation gave birth to another God whose name was Yakub. He started studying the life germ of man to try making a new creation (new man) whom our twenty-four scientists had foretold 8,400 years before the birth of Mr. Yakub, and the Scientists were aware of his birth and work before he was born, as they are today of the intentions or ideas of the present world. According to the word of Allah to me, “Mr. Yakub was seen by the twenty-three Scientists of the black nation, over 15,000 years ago. They predicted that in the year 8,400 (that was in our calendar year before this world of the white race), this man (Yakub) would be born twenty miles from the present Holy City, Mecca, Arabia. And, that at the time of his birth, the satisfaction and dissatisfaction of the people would be: — 70 per cent satisfied, 30 per cent dissatisfied.

And, that when this man is born, he will change civilization (the world), and produce a new race of people, who would rule the original black nation for 6,000 years (from the nine thousandth year to the fifteen thousandth year). After that time, the original black nation would give birth to one, whose wisdom, Knowledge and power would be infinite. One, whom the world would recognize as being the greatest and mightiest God, since the creation of the universe. And, that He would destroy Yakub’s world and restore the original nation, or ancient nation, into power to rule forever. This mighty One, is known under many names. He has no equal. There never was one like Him. He is referred to in the Bible as God Almighty, and in some places as Jehovah, the God of Gods, and the Lord of Lords.

The Holy Qur-an refers to Him as Allah, the One God; beside Him, there is no God and there is none like Him; the Supreme Being; the mighty, the wise, the best knower; the light; the life giver; the Mahdi (this is He, Whom I have met and am missioned by).  He, also, referred to as the Christ, the second Jesus. The Son of Man, who is wise and is all-powerful. He knows how to reproduce the universe, and the people of His choice. He will remove and destroy the present, old warring wicked world of Yakub (the Caucasian world) and set up a world of peace and righteousness, out of the present so-called Negroes, who are rejected and despised by this world.  Mr. Yakub was, naturally, born out of the 30 per cent dissatisfied. As we know, wherever there is a longing or demand for a change, nature will produce that man, who will bring it about.   Allah taught me that the present percentage of dissatisfaction is 98 per cent near, 100 per cent, with the present ruling powers. This 100 per cent dissatisfied will bring about a 100 per cent change. Yakub did not bring about a 100 per cent change, but near (90 per cent). Allah said: When Yakub was six years old, one day, he was sitting down playing with two pieces of steel. He noticed the magnetic power in the steel attracting the other. He looked up at his uncle and said: Uncle, when I get to be an old man, I am going to make a people who shall rule you. The uncle said: What will you make; something to make mischief and cause bloodshed in the land? Yakub said: Nevertheless, Uncle, I know that which you do not know. And, it was at that moment, the boy Yakub, first came into the knowledge of just who he was — born to make trouble, break peace, kill and destroy his own people with a made enemy to the black nation.

He learned his future from playing with steel. It is steel and more steel that this made race (the white race), are still playing with. Steel has become the most useful of all metal for the people. What he really saw in playing with the two pieces of steel was the magnetic power of attraction. The one attracting and drawing the other under its power. In this, he saw an unlike human being, made to attract others, who could, with the knowledge of tricks and lies, rule the original black man — until that nation could produce one greater and capable of overcoming and making manifest his race of tricks and lies, with a nation of truth. Yakub was the founder of unlike attracts and like repels, though Mr. Yakub was a member of the black nation. He began school at the age of four. He had an unusual sized head. When he had grown up, the others referred to him as the Big head scientist. At the age of 18 he had finished all of the colleges and universities of his nation, and was seen preaching on the streets of Mecca, making converts. He made such impressions on the people, that many began following him. He learned from studying the germ of the black man, under the microscope, that there were two people in him, and that one was black, the other brown.  He said if he could successfully separate the one from the other he could graft the brown germ into its last stage, which would be white. With his wisdom, he could make the white, which he discovered was the weaker of the black germ (which would be unalike) rule the black nation for a time (until a greater one than Yakub was born).

This new idea put him to work finding the necessary converts to begin grafting his new race of people. He began by teaching Islam, with promises of luxury to those who would believe and follow him.

As Mr. Yakub continued to preach for converts, he told his people that he would make the others work for them. (This promise came to pass). Naturally, there are always some people around who would like to have others do their work. Those are the ones who feel for Mr. Yakub’s teaching, 100 per cent.  As he made converts in and around the Holy City of Mecca, persecutions set in. The authorities became afraid of such powerful teachings, with promises of luxury and making slaves of others. As they began making arrests of those who believed the teaching, the officers would go back and find, to their surprise, others still teaching and believing it.  Finally they arrested Mr. Yakub. But, it only increased the teachings. They kept persecuting and arresting Yakub=s followers until they filled all the jails. The officers finally reported to the King that there was no room to put a prisoner in — if arrested. All the jailsare filled; and, when we go out into the streets, we find them still teaching. What shall we do with them? The King questioned the officers on just what the teachings were; and of the name of the leader.  The officers gave the King the answers to everything. The King said:  This is not the name of that man.  On entering the prison, the King was shown Yakub’s cell. Wa-Alaikum.  The King said:  So you are Mr. Yakub?  He said: Yes, I am.  The King said:  Yakub, I have come to see if we could work out some agreement that would bring about an end to this trouble. What would you suggest? Mr. Yakub told the King: If you give me and my followers everything to start civilization as you have, and furnish us with money and other necessities of life for twenty years, I will take my followers and we will go fromyou.

The King was pleased with the suggestion or condition made by Yakub, and agreed to take care of them for twenty years, until Yakub’s followers were able to go for themselves.  After learning who Mr. Yakub was, they all were afraid of him, and were glad to make almost any agreementwith him and his followers. 82 This history or future of Mr. Yakub and his people was in the Nation’s Book, by the writers (23 Scientists) of our history, 84,000 years before his birth. So, the Government began to make preparation for the exiling of Mr. Yakub and his followers. The King ordered everyone rounded up who was a believer in Mr. Yakub. They took them to the seaport and loaded them on ships.  After rounding them all up into ships, they numbered 59,999. Yakub made 60,000. Their ships sailed out to an Isle in the Aegean Sea called Pelan  (Bible Patmos). After they were loaded into the ships, Mr. Yakub examined each of them to see if they were 100 per cent with him; and to see if they were all healthy and productive people. If not, he would throw them off. Some were found to be unfit and overboard they went. When they arrived at the Isle, Mr. Yakub said to them: See how they (the Holy people) have cast us out. Now– if you will choose me to be your King, I will teach you how to go back and rule them all.  Of course, they had already chosen Yakub to be their King at the very start. So, Yakub chose doctors, ministers, nurses and a cremator for his top laborers. He called these laborers together and told them his plan for making a new people, who would rule for 6,000 years.  He called the doctor first and said:   Doctor, let all the people come to you who want to marry; and if there come to you two real black ones, take a needle and get a little of their blood and go into your room and pretend to be examining it, to see whether their blood would mix. Then, come and tell them that they will each have to find another mate, because their blood does not mix.   (It was the aim of Yakub to get rid of the black and he did.)  Give them a certificate to take to the minister, warning the minister against marrying the couple because their blood does not mix. When there comes to you two browner ones, take a pretended blood test of them; but, give them a certificate saying that they are eligible to marry.

Mr. Yakub’s charge to his laborers was very strict — death if one disobeyed. They didn’t know what Yakub had in mind until they were given their labor to do. He made his laborers, from the chief to the least, liars. The doctor lied about the blood of the two black people who wanted to marry, that it did not mix. The brown and black could not be married (brown only). The doctors of today hold the same position over the people. You go to them to get a blood test to see if you are fit to be married. Today, they say it is done to see if there are any contagious germs in the blood. I wish that they would enforce such a law today (keep the white from mixing with black — just the opposite). Perhaps we could remain black and not be disgraced by a mixture of all colors. In the days of Yakub’s grafting of the present white race, a new and unalike race among the black nation for 600 years, his law was — that they should not allow the birth of a black baby in their family, but the white (devil) should mix their blood with the black nation, in order to help destroy black; but, they should not allow the black to mix with their blood.  His aim was to kill and destroy the black nation. He ordered the nurses to kill all black babies that were born among his people, by pricking the brains with a sharp needle as soon as the black child’s head is out of the mother.  If the mother is alert (watching the nurse), then the nurse would lie and fool the mother to get possession of child to murder it, by saying that she (mother) gave birth to an Angel child. And that she (the nurse) would like to take the baby to heaven, so when the mother dies, she would have a room with her child in heaven, for her baby was an angel.  This is the beginning of the first lie or liar; and, it was so that the nurse would take the black baby away on this falsehood and claim that they were taking the poor black baby to heaven. As Yakub had taught them, they would feed it to wild beasts and if they did not a wild beast to feed the black babies to, Yakub told the nurses to give it to the cremator to burn.  Mr. Yakub warned the laborers, from the doctor down to this cremator, that if anyone of them failed to carry out his orders, off go their heads. When there was a birth of a brown baby, the nurse would come and make much ado over it, and, would tell the mother that she had given birth to a holy child and that she would nurse it for the next six weeks, for her child was going to be a great man (that is when it was a boy baby). After the first 200 years, Mr. Yakub had done away with the black babies, and all were brown. After another 200 years, he had all yellow or red, which was 400 years after being on Pelan.   Another 200 years, which brings us to the six hundredth year, Mr. Yakub had an all-pale white race of people on this Isle. Of course, Mr. Yakub lived but 150 years; but, his ideas continued in practice. He gave his people guidance in the form of literature. What they should do and how to do it (how to rule the black nation). He said to them:  When you become unalike (white), you may return to the Holy Land and people, from whom you were exiled. The Yakub made devils were really pale white, with really blue eyes; which we think are the ugliest of colors for a human eye. They were called Caucasian — which means, according to some of the Arab scholars, One whose evil effect is not confined to one”s self alone, but affects others.

There was no good taught to them while on the Island. By teaching the nurses to kill the black baby and save the brown baby, so as to graft the white out of it; by lying to the black mother of the baby, this lie was born into the very nature of the white baby; and, murder for the black people also born in them — or made by nature a liar and murderer.  The black nation is only fooling themselves to take the Caucasian race otherwise. This is what Jesus learned to their history, before He gave up His work of trying to convert the mews or white race to the religion of Islam.

Clearly this is not what Dr. King taught us.


I became agnostic when I was an early teenager and remained one until I was 23 years old. I have never misidentified myself as agnostic since I became a Christian. How many of you have ever misidentified your faith when asked about your religious beliefs? How many Christians who were delivered from false religions like Islam, Mormonism, Buddhism, etc. would ever gaffe like Obama did in this interview?

When I consider Obama’s association with Jeremiah Wright, his hostility toward Israel, and his softness toward the Muslim world, it’s easy to think he slipped a word of truth into this interview.

After digging deep into Obama’s beliefs, I do not understand how any God-fearing Christian can support him with a vote. We should pray for him, but we need to be very careful about what we are praying for God to do.

“You are not only responsible for what you say, but also for what you do not say.” Martin Luther

I’m thankful Martin Luther did not sit in silent compromise when he disagreed with the Roman Catholic Church. Luther’s bold words and actions could have cost him his life. He did not cow down to pressure or the fear of death. Martin Luther trusted God and fought for the truth. Because of Martin Luther’s convictions we enjoy many of our religious freedoms today.

Matthew 10:28-31 (NASB)
10:28 “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
29 “Are not two sparrows sold for a cent? And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father.
30 “But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
31 “So do not fear; you are more valuable than many sparrows.